Them Before Us Podcast

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Join host Jennifer Friesen, Training Director at Them Before Us, along with the TBU team, as they cover politics, current events, and policy updates affecting children's rights. Featuring top experts in politics, bioethics, law, reproductive technology, research, and culture, this podcast equips listeners to defend children's rights in debates on legislation, family, and technology. With thought-provoking discussions and expert insights, the TBU Podcast is your go-to resource for advocating a child-centric approach in today's world.

Recent Episodes
  • Them Before Us #082 | Civilization Depends on Dads: A Conversation with EksAyn Anderson
    May 30, 2025 – 00:33:43
  • TBU Legal Watch | The Louisiana IVF Bill That Could Gut Pro-Life Protections
    May 30, 2025 – 00:24:14
  • Them Before Us #081 | Marriage Forces You to Grow or Quit and Why That's GOOD | #ANDnotOR
    May 9, 2025 – 00:50:54
  • Them Before Us #080 | Conceiving Miracles: Dr. Jennifer Mercier on Healing & Hope in Fertility Care
    May 2, 2025 – 00:33:38
  • Them Before Us #079 | God’s Blueprint for Womanhood: A Conversation with Carrie Abbott
    Apr 25, 2025 – 00:30:36
  • Them Before Us #078 | Which Humans Are People? A Conversation with Nancy Pearcey
    Apr 18, 2025 – 00:43:39
  • Them Before Us #077 | Family Fragmentation Isn’t Neutral—It’s Neglect | Adam B. Coleman
    Apr 11, 2025 – 00:35:11
  • Them Before Us #076 | How Is Your State Ranked on Marriage & Family? A Conversation with Aaron Baer
    Mar 28, 2025 – 00:31:47
  • Them Before Us #075 | Bobby Lopez: A Child’s Journey Through Divorce, Identity, and Redemption
    Mar 28, 2025 – 00:25:57
  • Them Before Us #074 | The Battle for your Child's Mind Starts at Home
    Mar 28, 2025 – 00:40:14
  • Them Before Us #073 | When Fatherhood Doesn't Look Like You Expected
    Mar 28, 2025 – 00:30:56
  • Them Before Us #072 | Human Dignity for IVF Embryos | Laura Elm with Sacred Heart Guardians
    Feb 28, 2025 – 00:32:39
  • Them Before Us #071 | Marriage, Family, and the Battle for Truth – A Convo with Glenn T. Stanton
    Feb 21, 2025 – 00:47:39
  • Them Before Us #070 | Mentors, Moms, and Miracles: The Church in Action
    Feb 14, 2025 – 00:25:37
  • Them Before Us #069 | The Debt Crisis is a Kids’ Crisis | Pro-Child Politics | Phil Kerpen
    Jan 31, 2025 – 00:29:46
  • Them Before Us #068 | Them Before Us & Our Supreme Court Brief | The Fight to Protect Kids Online
    Jan 10, 2025 – 00:32:06
  • Them Before Us #067 | Woke Seattle Vendors and Our 2025 Dreams
    Jan 3, 2025 – 00:32:22
  • Them Before Us #066 | Author Leila Miller | Primal Loss: The Now-Adult Children of Divorce Speak
    Dec 6, 2024 – 00:35:36
  • Them Before Us #065 | Jonathan Pageau | Retelling Fairytales for a Return to Truth & Beauty
    Nov 29, 2024 – 00:32:14
  • Them Before Us #064 | Andrew Wood | Empowering Churches to Boldly Engage on Abortion
    Nov 24, 2024 – 00:27:42
  • Them Before Us #063 | Seth Drayer from Created Equal | Culture Change on Abortion
    Nov 15, 2024 – 00:29:47
  • Them Before Us #062 | Post Election Recap | What Does a Trump Presidency Mean for Children's Rights?
    Nov 7, 2024 – 00:36:02
  • Them Before Us #061 | Pro-Child Politics Author Delano Squires | The Lies About "Race" Hurting Kids
    Nov 1, 2024 – 00:37:49
  • Them Before Us #060 | 10 Words to Heal our Broken World | Scott David Allen
    Oct 31, 2024 – 00:33:43
  • Them Before Us #059 | Your Children Belong to You, Not the Government | Tiffany Justice
    Oct 18, 2024 – 00:33:55
  • Them Before Us #058 | Do We "Only Care about Unborn Children"? | Love Life's Daniel Parks
    Oct 16, 2024 – 00:31:00
  • Them Before Us #057 | Book "Silent Sorrows" on the Ethics of IVF and more | Katherine Breckenridge
    Oct 11, 2024 – 00:36:57
  • Them Before Us #056 | "Walking In Unity" | A Resource for Christian Parents Regarding Race & Racism
    Oct 4, 2024 – 00:36:02
  • Them Before Us #055 | The VP Debate | Is There A Pro-Life Party?
    Oct 3, 2024 – 00:39:22
  • Them Before Us #054 | Embodied Childhood: Rescuing Kids from Screens with Maria Baer
    Sep 27, 2024 – 00:30:47
  • Them Before Us #053 | Building Cathedrals: Art That Lasts with Christian Watson
    Sep 20, 2024 – 01:11:56
  • Them Before Us #052 | The Case for Pro-Child Conservation | Chris Barnard
    Sep 13, 2024 – 00:24:33
  • Them Before Us #051 | Who Won the Presidential Debate?
    Sep 11, 2024 – 00:31:13
  • Them Before Us #050 | Pro-Child Means Pro-Life | Pro-Child Politics Author Abby Johnson
    Sep 6, 2024 – 00:35:38
  • Them Before Us #049 | Illegal Immigration Harms Children | Pro-Child Politics Author Lora Ries
    Aug 30, 2024 – 00:26:00
  • Them Before Us #048 | The Porn Industry Hurts Kids | Pro-Child Politics Author Jon Schweppe
    Aug 23, 2024 – 00:25:34
  • Them Before Us #047 | Foreign Policy Matters for Children | Pro-Child Politics Author Dan Caldwell
    Aug 16, 2024 – 00:28:50
  • Them Before Us #046 | TBU's Josh Wood & Our New Book * Pro Child Politics *
    Aug 9, 2024 – 00:35:26
  • Them Before Us #045 | Swedish Perspective on Views of Parenting: Is the Nordic model all it's cracked up to be in the USA?
    Jul 26, 2024 – 00:48:01
  • Them Before Us #044 | Why You Don't Need to Have Credentials or A Big Following to Defend the Rights of Children
    Jul 5, 2024 – 00:23:40
  • #ANDnotOR | Father's Day Edition | Why Every Child Deserves His/Her Mom AND Dad
    May 8, 2024 – 00:25:06
  • #ANDnotOR | Mother's Day Edition | Why Every Child Deserves His/Her Mom AND Dad
    May 7, 2024 – 00:31:44
  • Them Before Us #043 | New TBU Book Coming Soon, Christianity Today Article Response, and Q&A
    May 3, 2024 – 00:33:56
  • Them Before Us #042 | Lori Kuykendall & IdentityProject.TV, a new resource on sex, gender, identity, marriage and more
    Apr 26, 2024 – 00:28:17
  • Them Before Us #041 | What About the "Primal Wound?" Junk Science or Meaningful for our Cause?
    Apr 12, 2024 – 00:29:28
  • Them Before Us #040 | Professor Brad Wilcox Talks New Book "Get Married", the Benefits of Marriage & Family on Happiness and Wellbeing
    Apr 5, 2024 – 00:47:15
  • Them Before Us #039 | Selective Reduction in IVF, Michigan Endorsing Surrogacy for Pay, and Surrogacy Baby Shower Protocol
    Mar 29, 2024 – 00:36:49
  • Them Before Us #038 | Delano Squires shares the "Four Houses" to get in order to save the Black family in America
    Mar 22, 2024 – 00:39:43
  • Them Before Us #037 | "The Boy Crisis" Author Warren Farrell On The Problems Facing Men, Boys, and Society
    Mar 15, 2024 – 00:43:16
  • Them Before Us #036 | Dating A Half Brother, Fertility Fraud, Ireland Erasing Women, & Pro-Life Hypocrisy
    Mar 8, 2024 – 00:32:17
Recent Reviews
  • davisbren
    Courage in the Evil War on Kids
    Each episode is an action to right a rotting sinking ship called The Family. Exposing the worst of porn industry and its grooming of innocent youngsters to please the abusers and rapists of children- that is the truth in the belly of porn-hub, about the most recent episode that raised my anger and shock, and admiration of the Supreme Court Brief these authors wrote and submitted. I am a mom, teacher, and follower of this podcast. Every law-abiding and family loving American should listen and then do something. Our children are the ones who suffer irreparably , not adults. Listen, weep, and pray what you must do to shut down this horrific evil to its death, for it is killing our next generation.
  • Kelley EW
    Everyone needs to listen to this podcast!!!
    Absolutely love this movement to put the rights of children before adults. It is imperative that we defend those who cannot defend themselves (i.e children) and that truth could not be more clear in this podcast. It has totally made me rethink IVF, adoption, divorce etc. and changed my perspective in so many other ways. Keep it up “Them Before Us” and change the world!!!
  • Geography Glitches
    Interesting social science research
    I like how they pull in a lot of social science research and studies and legal context in ways that show me new angles I’ve never thought of before.
  • LondonBizOwner
    A MUST LISTEN
    For anyone interested in the rights of children in the US and globally, this podcast is a must
  • Kristen Larson
    FAV PODCAST
    i binged all the episodes as fast as i could. katy and jenn are brilliant, well-spoken, relatable, and fearless leaders in the fight to preserve children’s rights. i learn so much from them and feel equipped to have conversations about these issues from a child-centered perspective. specifically, their episodes on divorce have been healing for me - a 42-year-old wife and mom who is affected almost daily by the divorce of my parents at age 9. i’m so grateful for the work they do. my FAV podcast.
  • AloveAllie
    A must listen
    Christian, if you don't know much about the industry of big fertility (and I mean all of it, not just the abortion component), now is the time to become informed. Katy and Jenn cover so many topics in this podcast, emphasizing that all these issues matter, because of the impact it has on children's lives and how culture views them. If you haven't read the book already (Them Before Us) this is your introduction!
  • MWM1215
    Such an encouragement!
    Even if you aren’t a Christian, the logic of protecting the rights of children should be something you want to understand. Also, if you are a child of divorce, this podcast is like therapy! And such an encouragement if you are also a child of divorce committed to providing your own children with a better experience. If you are a Christian, this show is full of science and research to demonstrate God’s truth and perfect design —the way He created men and women to come together and raise children. And by shifting the perspective (children’s rights > adult desires), it gives answers to the questions Christians often have surrounding IVF, donor conception and surrogacy.
  • Vanthong Wifey
    More
    I love this podcast! I want everyone to listen! I am sharing 🙏🏾
  • gfygyghghhbhhhhhhhhuuhhu
    So powerful
    The importance of carrying your cross so that your children don’t have to carry it for you.
  • Cuthbert777
    Wonderful Perspective
    Love the show and the framework of putting kids first! I’m also a child of divorce, my mother has been married 5 times, and I did not meet my biological father until I was in college. Since then I’ve built a great relationship with him and that whole side of my family. It still pains me though that I missed out on meeting my grandmother and all the time I could have spent with them. Thank you for the show.
  • Suzann72
    Children first
    If you care about children and are astounded by the current popular ideology that totally disregards their protection, this is the podcast for you. Katy and Jenn clearly articulate why so much that is taken for granted in today’s culture is harmful to children. This is not an issue just for conservatives and Christians, and this podcast reflects that. The two hosts present facts and anecdotes to support the idea that children’s rights must come before adult’s desires. It is not an easy position to take, but they show why it is so important to put children first. Make sure to listen to the opening episode first so that you understand their credibility on these issues.
  • cab25
    Being a voice for the most vulnerable…children
    Katy and Jenn, Are doing work that is nothing short of heroic. They are advocating and putting at the forefront, children’s rights. We live in an age where children are meant to bend and flex to the lives of adults. Katy and Jenn call adults to do hard things like sacrificing their desires so children may thrive. Get on board! There’s no slowing down Them Before Us!
  • ChemistKarma
    Love it
    Amazing podcast and love learning from these ladies on how to see things from a children’s rights perspective. Can’t wait for more!!
  • Aftrumpetdad
    Great Origin Story!
    Looking forward to more defending the rights of children! :)
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