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Podcast… the final frontier! "Star Trek: The Next Generation" devotee and authority Matt Mira leads Next Gen skeptic Andrew Secunda into the deepest reaches of the series episode by episode. Listen as they discuss, debate, and enjoy all the legendary show's strengths, failings, and innovations. Email us! STTNCPOD@gmail.com Twitter/X/TikTok/Youtube: @StarTrekTNC Web: startrektnc.com Patreon: www.patreon.com/startrektnc

Recent Episodes
  • DS9 s3e11 “Past Tense, Part I”
    Nov 5, 2024 – 02:02:55
  • DS9 s3e10 “Fascination”
    Oct 31, 2024 – 02:37:03
  • DS9 s3e9 “Defiant”
    Oct 14, 2024 – 02:50:34
  • DS9 s3e8 20 “Meridian”
    Sep 20, 2024 – 02:07:14
  • DS9 s3e7 “Civil Defense”
    Sep 12, 2024 – 02:32:46
  • DS9 s3e6 “The Abandoned”
    Sep 5, 2024 – 02:16:22
  • DS9 s3e5 “Second Skin”
    Aug 20, 2024 – 03:40:58
  • DS9 s3e4 “Equilibrium”
    Jul 28, 2024 – 02:01:15
  • DS9 s3e3 “The House of Quark”
    Jul 20, 2024 – 02:38:23
  • DS9 s3e2 “The Search, Part II”
    Jun 30, 2024 – 02:03:34
  • DS9 s3e1 “The Search, Part I”
    Jun 26, 2024 – 02:33:59
  • DS9 s2e26 “The Jem'Hadar”
    May 18, 2024 – 02:08:26
  • DS9 s2e25 “Tribunal”
    May 2, 2024 – 02:11:57
  • DS9 s2e24 “The Collaborator”
    Apr 27, 2024 – 01:52:22
  • DS9 s2e23 “Crossover” - a semi funny Star Trek podcast currently about TV's Deep Space Nine
    Apr 19, 2024 – 02:35:09
  • DS9 s2e22 “The Wire”
    Mar 20, 2024 – 02:12:18
  • DS9 s2e21 “The Maquis, Part II”
    Mar 4, 2024 – 01:59:57
  • DS9 s2e20 “The Maquis, Part I”
    Feb 27, 2024 – 02:17:33
  • DS9 s2e19 “Blood Oath”
    Feb 2, 2024 – 02:16:53
  • DS9 s2e18 “Profit and Loss”
    Jan 19, 2024 – 02:34:27
  • DS9 s2e17 “Playing God”
    Jan 9, 2024 – 02:04:06
  • DS9 s2e16 “Shadowplay”
    Dec 29, 2023 – 02:06:29
  • DS9 s2e15 “Paradise”
    Dec 6, 2023 – 02:06:17
  • DS9 s2e14 “Whispers”
    Nov 13, 2023 – 02:03:01
  • DS9 s2e13 “Armageddon Game”
    Nov 2, 2023 – 02:10:39
  • DS9 s2e12 “The Alternate”
    Oct 15, 2023 – 02:03:41
  • DS9 s2e11 “Rivals”
    Oct 3, 2023 – 02:30:48
  • DS9 s2e10 “Sanctuary”
    Sep 18, 2023 – 02:25:45
  • DS9 s2e9 “Second Sight”
    Sep 2, 2023 – 02:23:39
  • DS9 s2e8 "Necessary Evil”
    Aug 18, 2023 – 02:12:27
  • DS9 s2e7 “Rules of Acquisition”
    Aug 3, 2023 – 02:05:40
  • DS9 s2e6 “Melora”
    Jul 27, 2023 – 02:15:24
  • DS9 s2e5 “Cardassians”
    Jul 18, 2023 – 02:10:16
  • DS9 “Invasive Procedures” s2e4
    Jun 14, 2023 – 01:51:08
  • DS9 “The Siege” S2E3
    Jun 1, 2023 – 01:55:41
  • DS9 "The Circle" S2E2
    May 16, 2023 – 01:53:30
  • DS9 “The Homecoming” s2e1
    May 9, 2023 – 02:24:14
  • DS9 “In the Hands of the Prophets” S1E20
    Apr 29, 2023 – 02:31:46
  • DS9 “Duet” S1E19
    Apr 2, 2023 – 02:31:22
  • DS9 “Dramatis Personae” S1E18
    Mar 20, 2023 – 02:27:57
  • DS9 "The Forsaken". s1e17
    Mar 6, 2023 – 01:57:09
  • DS9 "If Wishes Were Horses" S1E16
    Feb 27, 2023 – 02:27:50
  • DS9 "Progress" S1E15
    Feb 13, 2023 – 02:08:13
  • Picard Season 2 Recap
    Feb 13, 2023 – 01:57:46
  • Picard season 2 ep 1
    Feb 7, 2023 – 01:54:59
  • DS9 "The Storyteller" DS9 S1E14
    Jan 30, 2023 – 01:37:23
  • DS9 "Battle Lines" S1E13
    Jan 21, 2023 – 02:04:21
  • DS9 “Vortex” S1E12
    Dec 19, 2022 – 01:54:18
  • DS9 "The Nagus" S1e11
    Nov 24, 2022 – 01:50:23
  • DS9 "Move Along Home" S1E10
    Oct 31, 2022 – 01:34:01
Recent Reviews
  • Johari Joestar
    Best Podcast
    This is a very good podcast. It is in fact the only podcast I will listen to. But it’s very funny and I love the interaction with the fans about the episodes. And there’s so much of it!
  • bipolarbear66
    Time travel back to your youth!
    Matt and Andy are witty and have great chemistry. They have a great bromance worthy of a Kirk, Spock and McCoy. Reminds me of discussing Trek with one of my best friends with the added incite of tv writers. When someone is having a discussion on a podcast and you feel the urge to yell your opinion into the phone they're doing something right. There be a whale of a good time here!
  • Falsedragon
    Patreon/Shout Out Nonsense
    I like this show and appreciate the actual discussion of the television series—usually relegated to about 30% of the show. Unfortunately, they’ve become a casualty of the Patreon era. the guys have devolved into well over an HOUR of mindless, meaningless Patreon shoutouts at the beginning of the pod. The bad/boring content now far outweighs the good. Find another way to do it, guys. Shout your patrons out on Twitter or something. It stinks.
  • AnkaGold76
    TNC
    First time reviewer and long time listener. The last few years haven’t been easy for anyone, and Matt and Andy are like a refuge from the storms. I throughly enjoy the banter, the sound bites, and the community building and yes, the Star Track commentary.
  • Zane20F
    Easily the best podcast in the history of podcasts, period bar none.
    I recently have discoveredTNC well, unfortunately, having faaaaaar too much time on my hands-not the Styx song-due to some medical issues and I’ve been passing the time by binge watching deep space nine and next generation. While doing so I have been listening to the next conversation after each episode the banter is hilarious and the, um, professionalism and dedication to detail and quality is a useful diversion from the anhedonic melancholy I find myself in. I have much to catch up on and have yet to sign up for the patron(sorry guys it is coming) but I do miss the school of very specific acting and the Frank Sinatra updates. Anywho I would check the Apple Podcast rankings for most downloaded or listened to and highest reviewed but almost assuredly they would be wrong. These soulless minions of Orthodoxy-a reference from season 5, episode 25 of DS9-do not understand the perfection that is the next conversation. Keep up the great work Andy and Matt. 10 out of 10. I will tell everyone to swipe right.
  • baron_neutron
    TNC is...
    Star Trek The Next Conversation is the best podcast ever in the history of all podcasts, up to and including podcasts that may run much smoother than this one with hosts who know exactly what order their show goes in; they're still better than that...FIVE STARS!!!
  • Jeremy Bearimy 78
    A Modest Proposal
    I’ve been listening to TNC since the beginning, and just today learned there is a YouTube channel after an off-hand comment from Matt. How did I not know about these shorts!? Unfortunately, now I want video for full episodes. Someone, please go back and edit all 245 episodes of TNC audio onto their episodes, commentary-style. And don’t forget to pause for all of Matt and Andy’s digressions. Thanks, guys, for 7 1/2 years of fun (if ultimately pointless) conversations!
  • stittbits12
    Badmirals Club?
    On the pod Andy and Matt always mention that Admiral’s always call characters by their rank and badmirals always call people by their first names. So since most people say Andy and Matt in their reviews of TNC should it be called the Badmirals club? Also the POD is fantastic and has been a part of my life since 2017. Finally just joined the patreon (sorry was not sooner) and am looking forward to supporting some of my favorite podcast personalities there as well.
  • vecnavp
    And she could've been yours, Will.
    And I’m Devinoni Ral!
  • semeonehlp no name
    1TLT
    These reviews 🤣. Great podcast!
  • The Wheat Doctor
    Bad Show, Great Politics
    The “good people on both sides” reference is amazing. Absolutely hilarious. When they focus on the good people on both sides and not Star Trek the show is great!
  • Squish1958
    Great show, horrible politics
    The “good people on both sides” reference is pathetic. When you actually focus on the show and not politics it’s great.
  • PressAce
    The only Star Trek talk destination you need
    This podcast series is a throwback to devil-may-care podcasts of the late aughts. Pre-over-produced, over-commercialed, over-structured, over-celebritied podcasts. Just a couple of chums, doing a deep dive on a beloved topic, for about two hours with almost no consideration for staying on topic. It’s glorious… and I genuinely now know more about Volvo auto repair than I ever thought I would. But best of all, the Star Trek content is outstanding as Matt walks Andy through episode after episode of Star Trek’s mostly best (and sometimes not) work. Love the DS9 episodes they’re doing now.
  • Crackinpipe
    Best Star Trek pod in this universe!
    Looking for the perfect Star Trek pod? Look no further than this entertaining podcast! Covering TNG and now DS9. “Secunda!!!” Will be coming out of your mouth with small or big victories in life. Hearing “WEEEEEEEE” from Matt will make you smile. Understanding what a Trill is, will be discussed in greater depth than you thought possible. I love James Bonding with Matt and Matt. It’s what got me here, and I couldn’t be happier. They also cover the other Star Trek shows like Voyager and enterprise and more .
  • Kenny840
    Better than you expect
    These guys are always hilarious. They give you want you want and so much more. If you have the time, they will kill it. Be kind and be well
  • Quesessy
    Simply the Best
    I can’t believe I’m only finding this podcast now. I watched TNG when it was on network TV and I’ve been fondly revisiting the series. Your podcast brings me so much joy. I’m all the way back in season 2 and find myself laughing frequently on the ridiculous banter and the jokes. When I used to watch the show with my Dad, we would riff on the show and hearing you do this on every episode makes me remember him fondly. I see that you’ve gotten into Deep Space 9 now and I look forward to making it to that point. Keep up the good work!
  • WAC 1969
    Passage of time
    I just started listening starting with your oldest episode. It feels like going back in time. I’m still in TNG season 1. You two are great. I’m glad I have something to listen to each day on my way home from work. I’m glad eight years later you two are still at. Thanks again.
  • Johnny Vagh
    I’m back.
    Update 2024: Stopped listening a few years back when the episodes were weeks, even months apart. Started having trouble sleeping again, so I’m back for the sleep aide. Thanks chaps. Love the podcast. Been listening since the beginning. Every time I have trouble sleeping this pod puts me right to sleep. It’s amazing. I’ve never made it to the actual episode commentary. Birds of Praise?
  • spagornasm
    Good stuff
    This the only TV podcast I listen to regularly. Good clean nerdy fun with plenty of cursing and TV production insights. If you walk dogs or have a bad commute (I have both!) this is a great way to fill the time.
  • Mike McLeod
    Star Trek Podcast Review
    I’m halfway through season 7 of this podcast so I’ve had hundreds of hours to contemplate the perfect, pithy review. This is a good podcast.
  • CarmenSandiego5
    Future person
    Hey matt and Andy! I’m on episode 47 in 2024. Just found you about a month ago. I listen while I’m getting ready in the mornings and while crafting! Matt said sorry about the world ending…..in 2018 (?) and then it did, kind of in 2020…..and Andy, iPhone 13 for me. Love the show🩷Disengage.
  • BaconPlus
    I will serve with distinction. Or dishonor. Time will tell.
    Finishing up a trip to Brooklyn for something & decided to use the downtime to say 3 things with my first rating for TNC: 1) I love this show since I started from the beginning in January of this year. I’m only at the Schisms episode right now. 2) Andy’s opinion on Di Fara’s seems to be founded after I had a pizza. 3) My take on the “Riker’s Eggs Debacle” was that he called attention to knowing the eggs weren’t good, but he knew that saying anything more would reflect poorly on him, so he left it at that. Like when someone says “a poor crafter blames their tools.” Secunda!
  • Party0f6
    They’re in there with their conversations
    My first podcast The Weekly Planet Podcast mentioned “those boys at James Bonding.” I binged JB and that led me to ST:TNC so now while I’m waiting each week for a new WPP or JB I binge on Matt and Andy slogging through the TNGiverse. TNG was my teenage years and I’m delighted with each episode. As TNG gets better each season I hope this podcast stays the same! I can’t wait to continue the mission. Disengaged. Log supplement: there’s no way Matt makes it through all 7 seasons...
  • Just a Girl Who Loves Trek
    Truly an Inspiration to us all
    In this podcast you will meet a very brave man named Andy who works to overcome not only face blindness but also pun blindness in order to review episodes of Star Trek along side his buddy Matt. You are an inspiration Andy! SECUNDA! PS: I realize that Face Blindess is a real thing and hopefully my tounge in cheek review will not offend anybody with the condition. However, I am pretty sure pun blindness is just something that Andy made up.
  • Chekov’s Phaser
    I mean, I guess if you have nothing better to do… *horn sound*
    Star Trek The Next Conversation is a Trek podcast where one host seems to genuinely love and be enthusiastic about Trek, and the other host is named Matt Mira. After finishing season 3 of Picard, I wanted to rewatch TNG for the millionth time, but to change it up I decided to listen to a podcast while watching. TNC seemed an interesting take, in that it was two tv writers of a show I enjoyed, The Goldbergs, going through the series. So I dove into the pod, and since May of 2023 I have literally ignored all of my actually good podcasts in order to mainline this one so that I could catch up. So 9 months later I finally have. My overall feelings about the podcast, and by extension the hosts Matt and Andy, are complicated. It kind of reminds me of this book I read, “Hostage Terrorists, Terrorist Hostage” where a group of hostages in Helsinki, Sweden, began to sympathize with their captors. I should have stopped listening to TNC a long time ago when the constant bumbling antics of both hosts did not stop, even though years of podcasting should have made them more experienced. And yet my mental pathways have become accustomed to them. Their inputs eventually are anticipated, and even missed when absent. Anyways, now that I’ve caught up with the pod, I can finally start yelling at them in real time instead of purely to the void of time.
  • Payyoutuesforhamburgertoday
    Don’t judge them for their politics. They are “Hollywood”.
    A very good review podcast. Just disregard their unfortunate political leanings. Don’t hold it against them that they have to cater to the “Hollywood” rules of thought. They are actually quite funny.
  • mattguitar
    A One of a Kind Look into Early Days of the Secunda School
    I’ve been re-listening to the Next Generation episodes of the podcast to pass time during a stretch of long commutes and had forgotten the Andy Secunda School of Specific Acting had not yet been founded in 2020. Wow, what a treat to be able to hear the early discussions and nuggets of wisdom from our future headmaster that eventually led to the formation of what we know today as “The School.” A true privilege to have these early recordings preserved for posterity.
  • Pazuzu (Captain Howdy)
    Love the pod!
    This is my escape pod (pun intended) while at work. It makes corporate slavery a little less painful. Love Admiral Pazuzu
  • JRosenbaum
    Finally Promoted to Admiral!
    I’ve been with Matt and Andy since day one and I was finally freed from the transporter buffer, so I can finally give the pod a five-star review to the “Greatest Star Trek Podcast In The World!” Keep up the good work guys! Joel Rosenbaum Martinez, CA
  • Garak Taking Measurements
    The Undiscovered Country of Podcasts
    I started listening to this podcast when it first aired years ago and have enjoyed every 2 hour detour, each mispronunciation of basic terminology, and the rapidly changing grading curve that is the Andy’s rating system. The mirror universe version of this podcast would be under an hour, consistent with its segments and audio cues, and constantly rotating in new hosts as Andy would have killed Matt for power and the new co-host would have killed Andy during an extended lunch. All jokes aside, you have both meant the world to so many of us, and have helped many of us through traumatic times. Darmok and Jalad at Tanagra!
  • Picturing
    By writing a review I join the admiral club.
    Don’t you know admirals in Star Trek are notoriously evil? Episode 73: Best of both worlds. Time 2 hr 44 min 13 seconds. “We have to do a show that’s almost entertaining” is the best way to describe this podcast.
  • DaneGerzone23
    A Necessary Evil
    God I must really like listening to these guys because I’ve already sat through… (checks Fermat’s Last Theorem)… 450 HOURS of them talking about Star Trek. If you want a polished podcast with cultivated hosts and scholarly discussions, then look further because this ain’t it. Five suns.
  • subfrog
    BEST STAR TREK PODCAST EVER!!!
    Saying a podcast is your favorite doesn’t make it necessarily good. I love Matt & Andy’s take on the episodes, as comedy writers. But let’s be honest, this podcast is a 2020 Dumpster Fire of a hot mess and I’m glued to every second of this train wreck! Why? This podcast is what it’s like when my Trek friends and I get together for watch parties. We talk for hours, interrupt one another constantly, and have just as many off-topic tangents and argugreements as Matt & Andy. How awesome is it that Matt accomplished the greatest Coup ever by converting a Star Wars fan into a full fledged Trekkie! They’ve also built a community around their podcast with the facegroup, instagram, and patreon with additional content of other Trek shows. So, please give this podcast a try. I found it in April 2023 and was hooked from episode one, never once looking to see if they were still going or ever finished TNG and now I’m all caught up. Just try it out and you’ll be a fan too! Trust me, randomly saying “Secunda” and freaking people out is so much fun! 🖖🏻 Chief Mike
  • Scotty Higs
    Escape Pod
    A podcast so good I'm watching New Trek just to get some of that sweet sweet TNC content. After mainlining their TNG podcast episodes (twice) I've finally caught up on DS9, Voyager and Enterprise. So now I'm fitting myself for that Admiral's Club plush robe with gold faux-Tribble fur lining by giving this a genuine 5 star review. This podcast is a great escape away from the day-to-day drudgery, and keeps me company as I crisscross the Valley for my commute. It’s like listening to your two pals discuss everything and anything, and sometimes talking Trek. Keep it up gents...in 8 years or so I look forward to concluding TOS and giving me an excuse to watch Battlestar Galactica again, eh Matt?
  • Jarcur1
    I’M MATT
    AND IIIIIIIIIII’M AM ADMIRAL!
  • TangBotCity
    There… are… two… lights!
    And their names are Matt and Andy! I’ve discovered you only recently, but am quickly burning through TNG. Wander down a meandering path that eventually finds an episode of Trek. Join the nearly all-knowing Matt as he delights in Andy’s journey of Star Trek discovery (pun semi-intended). Great podcast. Please maintain your same level of professionalism, however low that may be. We came for trek, but we stayed for the two of you. Thank you.
  • Archduke of Coffee
    Joining the Admirals Club
    Great podcast, if you give them five stars they let you into the good buffet with the lobster macaroni and cheese
  • nitwhit0855
    Longtime listener; first time reviewer
    I was listening to this podcast for a good half hour, & I didn’t realize I was listening to it in 1 1/4x speed until the next podcast episode I had queued up started playing (The Office Ladies) & noticed Angela & Jenna were talking faster than usual. I love that this show is so unedited that I can’t even tell when it’s sped up. At times, I even think the episode stopped playing because there’s such a big gap between them talking. Lastly, I can’t get this quote out of my head: “Did Paul Thomas Anderson write this? Edit people.” -Lorelai Gilmore Truly though, never edit! I love the relaxed nature of the show.
  • Tech Sargent Jeff McGregor
    Five Stars!
    Five on a scale of one to ten, five being best, one and ten being bad for different reasons.
  • PiNumber
    The best podcast in the quadrant
    My absolute hands down favorite podcast. I haven’t left a review even though I’ve listened for years because I’ve never been able to think of something clever enough to merit my prestigious entry to the Admirals’ Club! Perhaps this will let me just squeak by. I love it when an episode clocks in at a ridiculous 2+ hours and is full of more rambling nonsense than Star Trek. Never edit! Keep the digressions! This podcast got me through the pandemic and multiple hurricanes. Love you guys!
  • B from DC
    Conversations worthy of song
    Worf; Ah, "Star Trek: The Next Conversation," a battle of wits and a journey through the stars. Matt Mira, a true warrior with a heart full of honor, and Andrew Secunda, a skeptic yet worthy adversary, traverse the cosmos of all things star trek tales. Their discourse, as engaging as a Klingon duel under the moons of Qo'noS. Their loyalty to the essence of the saga, admirable. I find their camaraderie reminiscent of the bonds forged on the USS Enterprise. A commendation to their endeavor, this podcast is a tribute worthy of a saga that transcends the stars. A worthy listen for any true warrior! 5 out of 5
  • Jent123
    Matt, buddy, you need a device with a sleep timer
    Having consumed most of this podcast, I’m finally reviewing. But only because I’m really really concerned that Matt believes he needs 7 episodes in a row to fall asleep to and that is just so concerning. Are you ok? I know you have a young child but what kind of sleep are you getting if it takes you over 4 hours of distraction? The theme song is gonna wake you up every 42 minutes anyways. Trust me. I’ve tried to sleep to trek, so I know what I’m talking about. Just pick two good ones and set a sleep timer. But honestly do ds9 instead. The theme is so much more stately and you’ll just sleep so much better. Ok. Hope you’re ok. Love the show.
  • Gurgie13
    Down since Day ONE
    That is to say, upon discovering this podcast 3 weeks ago. I’ve now listened through season 2. It’s been incredible. I haven’t been this stoked on TNG since the days of the Geordi LaForge Halloween costume my mother made me in 1991. I’m so glad I refused the blackface. I hope that once i catch up to y’all, the quality of production hasn’t improved. I’ve heard your voices in my sleep and it’s disturbing. Take comfort knowing you’re tied for MVC from my golden banana clipped vantage point. Jared
  • Kn2660
    Rediscovering my love of Star Trek
    This podcast is like spending time with two nerdy friends talking about anything and everything and also Star Trek. I loved TNG back in the day, but didn’t keep up with all the other shows that followed. This pod is making me go out and binge them all. Paramount should be giving them a commission!
  • adamlove81
    Ummm Why Short
    I would prefer that every episode would last at least as long as 3 or 4 episodes of the actual TV show. Maybe go in more depth on the horns that are used in the sounds that you play for the “would you watch” segment. At least give us the name of the horns or whatever. Anyways still pretty good show overall. Thanks Matt and Andy.
  • Drew yhrefvhuu
    1 Star
    1 Star
  • Keeper2015
    Ummmmmmmm uhhhhhhh
    Ummmmmm uhhhhhh ummmmm uhhhhh maybe your episodes wouldn’t be so long if you cut out the filler sounds. Low quality on the sound bites and generally not well produced in the day and age of software everywhere to clean up podcasts like this.
  • Ben from Stafford, VA
    The Greatest Star Trek Podcast I Have Time To Leave A Review For
    Matt and Andy talk about Star Trek the way I would have talked about Star Trek if I had any friends who watched Star Trek. I had ankle surgery in June and decided to rewatch The Next Generation while I recuperated, and I listened to several different episode by episode podcasts before settling on TNC because the humor and silliness blended so well with Trek insight. Having finally completed listening to the entire catalog, I now feel qualified to enter the Admiral’s Club and confirm that this podcast is indeed worthy of 5 stars.
  • Mike-not a snitch
    Never identified with podcast hosts this much before
    I have been listening since episode 3 and love Matt and Andy. Why has it taken me so long to write a review? Like Matt and Andy I had every good intention of writing one, but well…. I have the same follow through as the hosts do on most things. What made the difference? A fellow listener snuck me into the Admirals Club so I would keep my mouth shut (even though I am not a snitch). I got a taste of that virtual shrimp platter and I had to have more! 5 stars!!!!!!!
  • Patisnotfat
    DarMocking Me
    Matt & Andy with Microphones and Time. Quark, his lobes open… Seven of Nine, her eyebrow raised… Riker, his beard grown… Captain Crandall in act six, with guns blazing! Geordi, alone with Warp Coils, his hand open!!! Jellico & Roe at Risa, with Sails Unfurled!!!!!!!
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