The Line

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True Crime #137

In 2018, a group of Navy SEALs broke ranks and accused their chief, Eddie Gallagher, of murder—sucking them all into the biggest war crimes trial in a generation. Did a Navy SEAL cross the line in Iraq? Dan Taberski (“Running from COPS”) takes you inside that courtroom for the first time, peeling back the curtain on how America wages its wars now and revealing the story that the media covering the trial blew right past. Through intimate conversations with over 50 special operators, the series explores just how blurred the line between right and wrong has become in the forever wars—and what that’s doing to the hearts and minds of those we send to fight them.

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Recent Reviews
  • Min Outside
    Truth on both sides
    Candid and brutal. The only way to find real truth and hold everyone accountable. Such a good job. Thanks for asking questions that not many investigators do
  • document is also a verb
    Navy Seal Podcast
    1)Poor coverage of Navy Seal Military Objective 2)Shallow judgement of Military objective 3)Lack of understanding of reality of terrorism All of the above is on the part of the podcaster. This story is so poorly presented as to not deserve any rating. Would you prosecute a civilian that spent his/her life employed by a ship to air munitions factory? Would you prosecute the civilians that took over the plane that was destined for The Pentagon during 9/11?
  • CEO Choice
    Gallagher is guilty and
    His wife is insufferable
  • Nicki_little_d
    Masterfully done
    Fantastic investigative podcast. Wishing it were 20 episodes long. Clear, concise, and telling. I’m impressed with how the interviews prompted such candor and ultimately led to the reinvestigation. Also appreciated the correlation between ACES and those who enter into such careers. So good.
  • Mae Lynn R
    Quite professionals verse white trash
    If you can’t be the professional you are trained to be then go back to the gutter where you came from. This is about a soldier with zero class or integrity leading the most elite unit in our country. He’s the class bully who says the entire class room is lying. Questioning the integrity of the soldiers who were brave enough to come forward is rather ironic coming from the man who videotaped all his dubious behavior. He mentioned the movie Platoon inspiring him but the irony there is that he literally mirrors the behavior of the villains in the movie. The moral of that particular movie was about going thru the “blurred lines” of combat and coming out the other side with your soul intact. When you come out the other end wanting to kill more then……WE HAVE A PROBLEM! He and his wife are clearly sociopathic narcissist.
  • nopoliticsneeded
    Turns left VERY quickly
    Too political
  • yourmomsayshey
    Gallagher is a Creep
    Gallagher took photos of a dead old man for him and his buddy to add to their war spank bank. He’s like the Dahmer of war. Also, his wife is a nasty, clueless harpy who needs to stop talking. Branding expert? She’s just another housewife who got her real estate license in lieu of an actual education and degree. Both these dumpster people are a waste of space. It’s idiots like these mouth breathers that make the U.S. a joke.
  • Kelsk123
    Great podcast on an incredibly difficult topic
    The line is a terrific podcast on an incredibly difficult and controversial topic regarding the charging of a navy seal with war crimes. Definitely worth listening!
  • Arockingroupie
    Good Writing - Crappy Situation
    This is one of the most infuriating podcasts I’ve listened to (and I’ve listened to alot). Not only has the truth been twisted, but Gallagher’s wife speaking FOR HIM?!? And in the last episode explaining how the ISIS kid died over what he said? Then she wanted to call other Seals all sorts of names? Has she ever gone to war? I’m not sure she can run a mile let alone pass bootcamp to make it to the front lines. My husband is a Marine and if this situation happened to him he can speak to what happened on his own, he doesnt need a woman who has never gone to war or been in his shoes to defend him. I’d be so embarrassed if my spouse did this to me and emasculated me the way she did.
  • EvenMorePerfect
    Watch doc. This is a one sided Anti Trump ramble after Ep.3
    The doc. On Apple+ is much better and fairly objective but you can still tell they’re trying to manipulate the story, not as badly as this guy and all his anti Trump rhetoric. This guy was found INNOCENT because there was NO evidence despite the thousands of hours of helmet cam footage, their stories all fell apart, there where several members that didn’t like Eddie but still told the truth. There was NOTHING in their thousands of texts about killings. Also, this guy is highly decorated with a GREAT reputations on over 80 missions on 8 deployments and NEVER accused of anything then a hands full of millennials go on their first tour and realize it’s WAR and can’t handle it. Why’d they lie? Why do people lie, for all kinds of reasons. They didn’t think it would turn into a media spectacle. No evidence, all their stories fall apart. Doc. Tries to blame this guy or that with conspiracy theories. They only interview lying witnesses and anti Eddie journalists (who lie for a living) its WAR! It’s not pretty, it’s not heroic! They thought they’d be living a movie and that didn’t happen and they blamed Eddie. The real kicker is at the end when they try to make you feel BAD for the ISIS FIGHTER!! It’s a joke, exactly how liberal journalists manipulate the civilian population. Iraqis would’ve tour heres and killed him, American forces had NO jurisdiction. This was a waste of time. These millennials lied their own platoon members deny their story
  • casiec4
    Watch the Show Instead
    This podcast does not do a good job of creating a picture of Eddie and his teammates and this story. I’m only two episodes in watching the show on Apple TV and I’m blown away at what the podcast leaves out. I’m a huge podcast fan but my recommendation is that all listeners to watch the show instead.
  • Jen-Degtjarewsky
    Eddie’s Wife is a Problem
    Interested in money over the life of a 13/14-year-old kid who was in poverty and working with ISIS as a “good job” is Eddie’s wife to a “T”- In the USA, would we execute a 13/14 year-old kid who does something so misguided? No, we look at the context. Just like we are being asked to look at context for Eddie… We have to be better than this, in every instance. —- The podcast was extremely well done. Traumatic brain injury must be studied, tracked and minimized by the military as much as possible. New technologies to help protect service members should be invested in. —-Eddie needed more time in prison to reflect on stabbing a 13/14-year-old kid, lying about it, photographing it and then repeatedly bragging about it afterward. I wish he could hear himself as the rest of the world does.— Lastly, anyone who would glorify and reward Eddie or his wife via social media with likes and repost needs to have their head examined. Any brand/product signing up to use Eddie’s “platform” is not a brand worth any of your hard-earned money. Please do better.
  • Denise Des
    Interesting and insightful
    The was a very insightful podcast. Listening to the description of what they look for in a navy seal it’s exactly what street gangs look for. Ride or die mentality immune to sensitivity to others feelings and comfortable with violence. It’s a recipe for disaster or you can can become a navy seal. Mmm Thank you for this interesting work!
  • Pecrobet
    Intriguing and Thoughtful
    Extremely well researched! Apple does great job of providing factual information and allowing listeners to come to their own conclusion. You will definitely learn lots of new details that have not been revealed before. It keeps you engaged and thinking about our military operations. After listening to this podcast, I have a better understanding of stresses involved during wartime on our military and how it impacts their lives. Whether you agree or disagree with the charges against Eddie Gallagher, you will have a better understanding of what really happened.
  • mjbogdanov
    Will take away your innocence
    Very smart and competent reporting that will keep you near the edge of your seat throughout. A window into the murky ethics of the modern war machine.
  • Henry Richard McMasterchad
    Compelling and engaging
    Binged this all on one Saturday morning. Awesome access to people involved, even handed treatment of moral ambiguities, great production. Also was just perfect pace and length. Can’t wait to see the Apple TV show.
  • UnclePorkChop
    Really good.
    One of the most interesting and insightful podcast shows I’ve ever listened to. Great work.
  • Andrew Radcliff
    Loved it
    Hope there will be future seasons
  • Pinkertguine
    Difficult topic well discussed!
    Things happening during war are neither pleasant to think about nor black and white. Makes you happy that people do their duty but also shows the price they pay. I concur to the final statement though the most honorable ones will follow the Geneva convention and yes that might be hard. Never thought about that. Thanks for making me!
  • Olivia E. H-Belew
    Perfect
    I thought it was amazing a captivating! It was a well told story. I like how your voice as an interviewer and then narrator changes. I love that it was a centered around a subject I wasn’t aware of.
  • Mjskjs
    Lies
    Very unpatriotic pathetic and disgusting!
  • Shelley in Texas
    Thought Provoking!
    Honestly, I thought the podcast was outstanding! The podcast tackles, a complicated and sensitive matter, and I think it does a good job at presenting both sides of the issue. I understand why men like Eddie Gallagher exist, and I also understand the value that the Gallaghers of the world bring to special ops. I thought the podcast did an interesting job of presenting the mental health aspect of the special ops. Are they Hitmen? Are they assassins? If not, what is their role? And how do these men process their experiences, and the cumulative effects of of their trauma?
  • Donny311
    The narrative is forced and quotes are used with alternative context.
    I will say the Apple TV show was very good, but this podcast takes five second sound bites and forces it’s own narrative. I thought it would be more informative and allow the listener to come to their own conclusion, rather than trying to add more to the “guilty” narrative. If you want to come to your own conclusion with more unbiased information, watch the show on Apple TV.
  • Soma lani
    Well-written
    Very interesting and well-written (seemed fair in reporting). Kept me engaged.
  • Sarahpie91
    Excellent
    Very well done. Listened with my veteran brother who also felt it was compelling and captured nuance that is often missed in these kinds of conversations. Highly recommend.
  • Barnes5
    Very interesting
    This is a look into a world that I don’t know much about. I found it very interesting and empathetic to both sides
  • Ssaff91
    Crazy Story, Questionable Outcome
    Really well told story. Dan Taberski, the host, handles these guys really well, which isn’t always easy when dealing with guys that have been through what they have. He challenges them in a fair way, without ever accusing them of anything or losing his objectivity. I have HUGE questions and doubts about the conclusion of this whole saga, as I’m sure many do. I think if anything, this story illustrates how toxic an extreme sense of nationalism
  • kim23k
    Amazing
    This podcast is the best so much story and truth ! Amazing work !
  • Aswickard
    Thought Provoking
    I have never thought about the ethical and moral dilemmas our soldiers face every day. I already had a tremendous amount of respect for our servicemen and women, but this podcast made me respect them even more. Well done, covering both sides of the story, and making us all think about ethical scenarios that occur every single day in war.
  • Hangonsloopy04
    SEALS are NOT the quiet professionals
    SEALS are NOT the quiet professionals. Special Forces, aka Green Berets, are The Quiet Professionals. Getting basic information regarding special operations wrong is not a great way to start a podcast.
  • Ammick76
    You Have to Listen To This
    I started watching the series this week and didn’t start listening to the podcast until I watched episode 3. I didn’t even know there was a podcast or that it came out first. The podcast goes everywhere I hoped the series would…the psychology of Seals, their upbringing, the trauma of war and the toll it takes on soldiers, the effect of modern warfare, and the ethics and confusion of curvy lines. You don’t get the whole story if you just watch the series. I got so angry watching this tragedy unfold and this podcast helped me feel better. Dan Taberski is everything I hope for in a journalist and storyteller. All of his podcasts are great! And this one might be the best.
  • Catia Hans
    Very addicting!
    This show is excellent. It doesn’t take sides (at least not directly), so you are listening to each episode and hanging on every word from each participant, understanding that war is ugly… on all sides.
  • Fred’s 4Ever
    Best of the Best
    I have so much respect for our Navy Seals. They are a rare breed and achieve what few can. I salute them and all our men and women in uniform. Thank you for your service!! 🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸Great podcast!!
  • C.Schillings
    Stunning
    Powerful podcast here where we get to hear from those who’ve served our country speak for themselves and hear for ourselves what our nations policies have asked out of our men and women in uniform in what is now known as the forever wars. Gripping and powerful narrative here that is fair to those who were interviewed for it. I recommend it to everyone and especially for those of us who love and cherish our country and our troops. Sometimes quite jarring and graphic, it pulls no punches on the brutality of war and what exactly our national policies ask out of those sworn to protect us. Thank you for making it!
  • dyftutffyficftucuyif
    Omg
    Amazing I’m speechless
  • PodThaiNoodles
    Really well-done. Not political!
    I expected a left-wing screed. It was super well-balanced and expertly produced. Engaging all the way through!
  • Justp1ayin
    Absolutely Gripping
    Kept me hooked from beginning to end, and the follow up to the story before there Apple TV doc was released was telling.
  • Georgia Boy US sailorman
    Hero
    Great American. Oh crap that was a stunner.
  • dannabanana12
    Well Done Podcast with Shocking Revelation!
    Yep Dan. You are good at your job.
  • wolvtele54
    Sheep shouldn’t judge wolves
    When a sheep does a podcast/series on a wolf they’re perspective never strays from their pre-conceived narrative. There is no world in which this author could ever truly be objective because he’ll always be a sheep, and has perspective of the prey. These men are wolves and then live and operate in a world most of us could never understand. They’re trained to be wolves for us, to poor tech us from other wolves. The ISIS fighter despite his age stepped on the battlefield and surely wouldn’t dine the same or worse to a SEAL if the opportunity arose. The difference would be he would’ve have be heralded for his actions and not paraded in front of the sheep.
  • Lashalot
    Thought-provoking
    It’s interesting that there are so many people saying that this podcast is biased against Navy SEALs. I most definitely went into this believing that Eddie Gallagher is a straight up psychopath who committed the war crime of murdering an injured teenage combatant. Yet never have I changed my mind so many times through the course of one podcast. I didn’t think it possible to feel empathy for him, but this podcast really addresses a lot of the nuance and complexity of what makes a good special ops soldier. Taking people with a certain psychological makeup and exploiting that to make them into uber soldiers with just enough restraint to be controlled and then repeatedly putting them in combat for decades is going to have consequences. I really appreciated how well this podcast was constructed and how persuasive it was for multiple perspectives.
  • Knott.Melanie
    Important story for all Americans
    No matter which side of the line you’re on, there are some serious questions we need to ask ourselves as Americans. Thanks for bringing this story more attention, Dan. As always, amazing writing and reporting.
  • Compton63
    Informative and Captivating.
    The story reveals a part of military operations that does not make it to the mass audience. It saddens me that our military does support our soldiers after their sacrifice of mind and body. Your story is compelling in terms of activating my attention to current events and consideration to devoting my voting rights to treatment of the men and women Compton serving in the military.
  • krislasagna
    Re-listened x 3 because I enjoy it that much
    First let me say that Dan Taberski could put out a podcast about goldfish and I would tune in attentively. Excellent story telling and narrating that allows you to feel one way, and then change your mind as the story unfolds. I recommend this particular podcast to everyone and anyone because I think no matter how you view war, this allows us to really look at the human aspect that is often overlooked to avoid the conflicting feelings about it. This story really gets good conversation started in my opinion, I always have the best debates with people about their opinions after hearing this, and I have yet to find another story that really makes me feel like I’m understanding both sides. I’ve listened to this over 3 times in the past year and would listen again because it’s so good even if it covers really terrible things. Cannot recommend enough!
  • saljohar
    Insightful
    I read “Alpha” before listening to this podcast, which delves into the specifics of what happened in the Alpha platoon and the trial of Eddie Gallagher. He’s a psychopath in my opinion, and it’s a gross miscarriage of justice that he’s suffered almost no consequences for his crimes. He and his wife are two peas in a pod. This podcast takes a different view of the story, which was interesting. I highly recommend the book “Alpha” by David Philipps.
  • pitateet66
    My heart goes out to these warfighters
    I hope all these men know that their are some of us that really care about their well being. I hope any of these guys would open up and take a chance before they self harmed or worse. We all thank you for your sacrifice.
  • AutopilotAndChill
    Good podcast, correct verdict.
    Don’t mind listening to the last minute or so of each episode, it’s him reading the credits. Even if he would’ve shot the guy after capturing him I don’t see a problem with it. The fact there are “rules” to war is absurd especially when you are fighting someone who doesn’t follow “rules” and uses guerrilla tactics.
  • ThasTurrable
    Excellent
    Dan is a fantastic podcaster with an amazing voice! Easy to listen to, in fact I have binged all of his podcast’s.
  • Urik76895
    Fascinating
    Nicely done. New territory for me but i thoroughly enjoyed
  • Gotham212
    Riveting
    Well done series paints an interesting portrait of trauma and manifestations ppl adopt to survive it. We need more guys like this platoon who stand up against all odds against a psychopath in their midst and the blind hierarchy who supports & promotes psychopaths because to do otherwise would make them hypocrites. Gallagher should be in jail. He is a psychopath, his wife is textbook narcissist, I fear for their kids. Does the military complex create these monsters or merely reward them for being monsters, that is the question of this series.
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